OHHHH You guys are so brilliant!

[Andrew]

"Oh wow let us just bow down and worship ourselves!" ARROGANCE!!!!!!!!

Arrogance has to be one of THE most UNATTRACTIVE traits a person can have. Cocky... Funny... yeah thats attractive... but ARROGANCE... AHHH unattractive! I hate to pick on Zan's forum too much but its all over it. "Oh we are such a Zen Buddhist Philosophy... OHHH we are such 'LOVERS' of women"... yeah freaking right dudes! You aren't loving women AT ALL! You are treating women like GARBAGE!

You can claim to be, "Lovers" of women but if your ACTION does not back it up then you are... FULL OF CRAPPPPP!!!!

Again... love is NOT a feeling! Love is ACTION. If you are not leading someone towards greater peace... FRANKLY if you are not leading someone towards Christian principals then you are not loving someone... plain and simple.

We can debate all day about love... but most of the crap I hear from people is airy fair touchy feely... NONSENSE.

Somebody come out on the scene with some REAL PURPOSE. Somebody show me a MAN on a MISSION! I don't see any... I see arrogant WIMPS! I see lost, ignorant fools on their way to messed up relationships and such! THATS WHAT I SEE! WHEN WILL YOU LEARN!?

[easyrider]

Hey, this is a historic moment. I am making the first ever reply on this forum!

I agree with you Andrew. Running around trying to stick your dick in as many women as possible is not being loving.

And regarding purpose, I remember one guy at a seminar saying that his purpose was to open women up sexually. That sounds like a pretty noble and self-sacrifical purpose!!!

[roaddog]

I have been thinking about this premise.....as part of the sexual act a woman brings you into herself literally and physically. Emotionally. She must open herself up to you.....if she orgasms with you.....there must be an imprinting in her mind/brain about you. Her mind tells her this is someone, THE someone special.....I have heard it your body is telling you some basic truths. Men, too, for that matter just less profound.

For whatever reason, I won't go into birthcontrol and the like, women and men have minimized sex into a recreational thing. Not to say sex isn't fun. It is good. But it occurs to me that when we change partners we are lying to our mind. No, this is THE special one. At a core level, we lied to our subconscious. Remember, that what we tell our subconcious; it believes. What if we lie to it? What if it knows we lied to it? Will it ever trust us again?

Now once we get past the needy self talk that makes us believe that women are scarce and impossible to attain, we Men then have an obilgation to use that new found power and knowledge for good.

Pacman, this idea of yours will lead to a new revoluton. That being true will mean you'll get much conflict. But be the flame and enlighten us.

[Andrew]

Good point on the, "Special one" idea. I agree... and glad to see you guys I've been doing a little marketing... heheh.